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07-22-2008, 1:20 AM chargernewnshiny Joined on 07-15-2008 Posts 12 respect and disrespect during that 08 NATS *warning this is A RANT* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this weekend was enough to make me not want to ever do another right coast event and i may even persuade all of my other driver friends to pull out as well (we all go every year to show our rides and cruise together theres alot of us! )i never have been insulted as much as i was on fri sat and sun fri the nightmare begins try to enter the show with my valid sticker and reg and to have a security guard not even a real rent a cop(one of bobs pals) (the inner circle strikes again) laugh in my face and tell me to get my "piece of ***" out of here im not getting in.after 2 whole days of volunteering 6 hour shifts in hot hot weather! i know some people did more than i but this is my time to gripe right now! i have a full time job and a active life so to do this during the week was a task i kid you not !(sorry i digress)back to the root above i had to go to a person i volunteered with to explain to this guy i was allowed to be in the show grounds and was told if i didnt have my car parked in there during show hours i would be banned (mind you this year i was driving a 1 of a kind specially built 2006 charger (not a "piece of ***" by any terms *most years i bring my 78 mark 5 or a special 76 Buick Electra which only 4 are still out rumbling on the highways of America yes its a two door coupe*i still get disrespected because of my age it wouldn't matter what car i bring i have been told its because of the age difference and im not alone in this !*GET OVER IT WE ARE HERE WE ARE YOUNG WE LIKE CLASSIC CARS* and i also brought a caravan of three white huge touring vans with me from out of town (more money for bob and his pals i had about 50 of my crew come with me to the show for all three days (also a side note i do realize some money goes to charity and having volunteers is a tax write off... ) to have this person relish the fact he was messing up this experience for me and my family and friends and to go as far as literally laughing in my face as i tried to explain to him what ever info he demanded as he repeated i wasnt getting in and let me look at your tickets over and over like i was trying to pull the wool over his eyes was the exact quote, made me sick to my stomach(not to mention angry which i rarely get). i want to know why you would give a position of power to someone who gets joy out of hurting others pride or feelings or specifically try to get some one pissed enough at you so you can throw them out with out looking like the aggressor you know like playing the victim angle (which i watched this guy do to people over and over i as i was unloading my display to carry all the way into the show grounds (LUCKILY EVERYONE WHO ENCOUNTERED THIS GUY I SAW DIDN'T FALL INTO HIS TRAP ) *and whats the deal with right coast reps kids can drive around large modern pickups around the ground at high unsafe speeds (this bring me to this who pays for the mustang that got crashed into by the tram? are you supposed to be certified to drive those or is it like anyone can drive around hundreds of people a day with no formal training or anything? just wondering) AND IM NOT ALLOWED TO BRING ONE OF MY VANS IN TO UNLOAD MY DISPLAY? I PAID MY DUES I THINK. AND HAVE BEEN A MEMBER FOR YEARS ALSO promoting the show for free every year (check my youtube page out for proof) THE VOLUNTEERING PART KICKS IN THERE ALSO YOU *AND* cars that are modern and are worth a good show must stay parked all weekend and be hidden from view ? why even let them come in ? i didnt mind so much as i thought it would rain all weekend and my car was shunned to the Toyota building aka the cow livestock area for the fair so you know the smell was well less than beautiful, i felt bad for the volunteers but hey what do i know ? and being threatened with being booted from the show if you cruise around and not being able to enter the next year? do you realize how many of the same model classic cars there are ?dont you think other people would like to see a 2008 challenger in action or another high tech modern car?rollling around just for change of pace )im not speaking for everyone but some people) back to the FAKE RENT A COP i mean what type of person does that?i dont know his name and would be happy not to but he was at the entrance gate fri afternoon (wearing a blue shirt with security written on it ) i also watched FAKE RENT A COPS aka bobs buddies pick and choose who gets into the show ( thats why there where 50 less car and why you guys didnt break the record this year ) i saw people from mass and even farther away get turned away because their car, in specific a 83 monte carlo and a 88 bmw was to new?*my opinion* if you paid to get in you should get in no questions asked >. why take the money from people and then when they show up refuse them entrance? why allow any one to come at all ? greed mabye? i dont know bout that either i am just a car lover any shape and size/year .i appreciate what it takes to build one, i can see most of you guys have lost that part of your love for autos its become more of an age pissing contest .(*basically your young and and dont know anything so let me breath down you neck and tell you how your car should be* ) and to see this little inner circle of right coast people running things kinda makes me sad (GET a grip). just take your little circle of ten people and have your own club. instead of playing the pecking order game with 7000 or so folks this isnt your backwoods fab shop or paint hut save the ball busting and slyly placed insults for your own shop ! not a showcase where you must be professional and have some class err may i dare say respect? for your fellow car enthusiasts? . i have witnessed with my own eyes and have heard from many others why they leave the rightcoast or the nats all together . its because of the old retired im better than you because i worked on my car for 20 yrs and been in the scene for 30 yrs these types ruin the whole scene for everyone its a sad state when YOU GET SO OLD YOU CANT REMEMBER WHEN YOU Were YOUNG AND BUILT YOUR FIRST RIDE. remember that?remeber how proud you where? when you felt the monster you built pulling away from the curb? did you like it when that old dude down the street s#@t on you because you had a loud rod?or how bout this having somone come up to you at a show being a judge or someone with a little pull in the association telling you how to make your car ITs MY CAR i dont come to your job and tell you how to flip burgers. i dont care! i just like to show my car to others who share the same love for autos as i do this arrogance is sickening ! personally! judging on a biased opinion is the lamest thing i ever heard of it just shows your ignorance and inability to let go of the past and try something new. young people like classics 2 i have built three myself an im 24 i love old lead sleds i wonder if anyone ever thought about that why there are 20000 old guys in the nats and a few 20 or younger somethings because when ever they try to break into the scene a old grumpy who has no respect for anyone but his circle and thinks hes better than everyone else because of his/hers right coast rep or member shirt thats older than dirt and dayglo color whatsitmobile s#!t$ on them over and over(its like they roam in packs spewing trash from their mouths)(it makes you want to wash your car an hug it after they leave i have been told). you people need to realize us "youngsters" arent all what you read in the papers and watch on the news its only a small % of them who do the dumb s#!T!i see the drunk OLD guy doing burnouts and racing most times . not us young guys(there are a few bad apples out there but we are new breed of apples that doesn't allow the spoil to spread nip it in the bud i always say at group meetings ) who by default have to hang out with each other because of the alienation/clickyness we receive by way of these guys and we talked about this a quite a few times. you are missing out on a cash cow dont act like you dont care because i know you do ! yall love money !( i wont release the name of my club here because i have no reason to have them messed with because of their leaders personal thoughts it not like at the next meeting i will be reading this out loud to them these are my thoughts with some other peoples feelings mixed in so you could cal this a group post) you love it so much you will rip people off for registration and stickers then to turn them away 15 mins later at the gate how does that work i wonder? im not saying the whole right coast hates youngsters or that you are ALL THIEVES but just a small group of power tripping classic owner groups kills the fun for a lot of us car lovers young and old, because there are some older gents and ladies embrace us wholeheartedly which in their case i have nothing but respect for . believe it or not the sport truck compact blast isnt for every one of us"youngsters" which i have been told to go to if "i dont like the nats" some of us young kids like to not be a part of drunken stupidness and fights wet t shirt contests? please have some respect for your self i do like the tuners part of the association drift is cool.but its not my thing we are not some ragtag group of rowdies making problems and breaking the law . we are a highly organized group of successful young adults who love cars. who have nothing but respect and awe towards a finely or not so finely built auto(THERES A LITTLE DIAMOND SHINE IN THE DIRTIEST ROCK). i have one last thing... this is to the event staff person wearing yellow shirt. volunteer monster from the HELL (you know who you are).. the next time someone is covering up their car for the night dont walk up to them and ask them if there done ruining the show for everyone with their trash and to please keep the car covered. if you didnt notice i left my car open the whole three days just so you would have to look at it shining and being something you could never in your life be a part of building. i know jealousy took over and your mouth just kept on running i doubt you even own a classic or custom ride you should have taken a moment from spouting off from the mouth and read my guest book i had over 1800 people sign it and say what a great job my team did on my vehicle *and this was our first real try at a new modern car* (we thought it would be a cool twist on old/new retro and modern mixed type thing) see the thing was while i was smiling and asking you if you ever go on this forum or work on cars or what ever random conversation type topic i had to use to deal with you and to keep you smiling and blabbering letting you think you are holding something over my head(ie the power to have me removed from the show for this year and more to come i m sure) and as to not offend the precious inner circle of rightcoast i listened to you and your bilge pump mash words out like crap smashing into a wall at high speed i then knew i was going to type this and direct it toward you and the others i have mentioned here because i know you will read this and maybe see the errors of your ways and try to open up that mind to try something new like respecting others in public or being a helping hand and try turning on some new comers to something cool and fun INSTEAD OF BEING A HARD CASE but for now you push us away and make us feel like we are less than you WE are not by the way (it only lasts a moment but its still there). i think you guys mostly give us crap about the rides we own is.... because we actually enjoy our cars !i noticed very few of you smile while driving the car unless you are trying to pump up your ego by laughing at the young guy in the nice car. next to you. anyway this rant has gone on long enough and im tired if anyone has anything to respond to this hit me up ill check back ever so often and reply. RESPECT aaron    Report

07-24-2008, 2:38 PM rccrob Joined on 01-12-2006 Posts 131 Re: respect and disrespect during that 08 NATS *warning this is A RANT* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you have any names of the volunteers? I'd be very interested to find out who they are.    Report

07-24-2008, 8:20 PM chargernewnshiny Joined on 07-15-2008 Posts 12 Re: respect and disrespect during that 08 NATS *warning this is A RANT* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the one male was working the 2 to 8 shift at the main show car entrance and the other guy i think worked in the toyota building let me check with my teammates and find out if they got any names    Report

07-25-2008, 9:25 AM rightcoastboston Joined on 03-26-2006 Burlington MA Posts 39 Re: respect and disrespect during that 08 NATS *warning this is A RANT* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi Aaron: Sorry you feel that the Right Coast Syracuse show isnt for you. If I remember seeing another one of your posts, you couldnt say enough on how WONDERFUL people were when you were volunteering for the campground section- yet now your feelings have changed.... Not that we dont enjoy a 1983 Cadillac or Honda or even a 2008 Challenger , but the RC shows (with the exception of the sport truck compact blast show) have been created for classic cars with a CLEARLY defined cutoff year. The other major hot rod organizations (NSRA/ Goodguys etc) also have the same type of guidelines. This is just what we have done- it would be like having a 1923 T bucket at a NOPI show- its just NOT done because of the guidelines of the show... As for the problem with your van not being 'allowed' in for your display set up- there are also CLEARLY defined times for you to be able to set up an indoor display- in fact , someone who attended the show with us with a classic/custom truck was told he needed to set up on Thursday with his display. Not sure if you were trying to bring the van in at another time but if so- it wasnt allowed- and being an insude vehicle and a volunteer- you probably should have confirmed when you needed to bring your stuff in- could you imaging if everyone decided to bring their displays etc in while the show was going on? ! What a nightmare that could have been! And your vehicle was allowed to be displayed as anotherr way of the RC saying 'thank you' for volunteering- it didnt HAVE to be allowed in- we CHOSE to allow it in the show. Being a charter member, volunteer Asst Director (yes volunteer- no reps are paid for all the work we do) as well as a vendor for the show- I can tell you that guidelines are created for a reason , its a HUGE undertaking to put a quality event like the Syracuse Nationals on - in fact, we have already begun work on the 2009 and 2010 shows- just to give you an idea of the magnitude of the work involved to do so. I'm appalled at the remainder of your post as well- to sink to a level of ranting publicly , just makes you look even more like a 'youngster' (to coin your phrase) and not someone who truly wants to resolve any issues you may have. Mouthing off on a message board does nothing more than create animosity and bad karma. Id suggest that if you really would like to resolve ANY issues you have with the show or the organization, to contact the Home Office at 800-753-3978 and speak directly with Bob OConnor or Keith. Just you know- the office is always open to feedback- its what will aid us in making the following year's show even better. If you arent willing to chat with the Home Office, then your rant is nothing more than that and has no substance- sorry to say. Dana & Lenny Schaeffer Asst US Directors of Reps Right Coast Association Owners Chop-Shop Customs/Woburn MA    Report

07-25-2008, 9:38 PM chargernewnshiny Joined on 07-15-2008 Posts 12 Re: respect and disrespect during that 08 NATS *warning this is A RANT* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are right i didnt say anything bad about the people i worked with that week or anything else. but i do have a problem with the way others in this group parade around as if they are celebs. ohh i did appreciate the letting of our car in but i didn't appreciate the way we were treated and as for my post having no substance i have to call your home office to get berated over the phone? NO THANKS. and yes i was quite upset at the way my family and my crew was treated this wasn't a one time deal. this has happened and it was well before i was aware of this forum or you would have been reading about this type of activities sooner sorry! before at events and i have tried to talk to bob one on one and he would have nothing to do with it as i remember and you can check your files i was in a auto showcase April o6 took third with my mark 5 and after the show i tried to touch base with bob about how i felt and got nothing in response from him(not even a tell me who when where why . so i said you know what im going to work harder each year with my group to prove we are indeed worthy of being taken seriously but i can tell by your condescending note you left there is no way. rcrob by all means i will find the names and hook you up with them . thanks for taking the time to check things out .    Report

07-26-2008, 6:18 AM rightcoastboston Joined on 03-26-2006 Burlington MA Posts 39 Re: respect and disrespect during that 08 NATS *warning this is A RANT* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  chargernewnshiny wrote: you are right i didnt say anything bad about the people i worked with that week or anything else. but i do have a problem with the way others in this group parade around as if they are celebs. ohh i did appreciate the letting of our car in but i didn't appreciate the way we were treated and as for my post having no substance i have to call your home office to get berated over the phone? NO THANKS. and yes i was quite upset at the way my family and my crew was treated this wasn't a one time deal. this has happened and it was well before i was aware of this forum or you would have been reading about this type of activities sooner sorry! before at events and i have tried to talk to bob one on one and he would have nothing to do with it as i remember and you can check your files i was in a auto showcase April o6 took third with my mark 5 and after the show i tried to touch base with bob about how i felt and got nothing in response from him(not even a tell me who when where why . so i said you know what im going to work harder each year with my group to prove we are indeed worthy of being taken seriously but i can tell by your condescending note you left there is no way. rcrob by all means i will find the names and hook you up with them . thanks for taking the time to check things out . No condescending tone here my friend. All I am saying is that we DID appreciate anyone who volunteers to help with such a large undertaking and that you need to realize the show IS what it IS- a classics show for cars under 1980. There are many large events out there that are all makes models and years- but Syracuse is not. Im sure someday that year cutoff will change in the future- but as it stands now- that is the cutoff . If you have had that many issues with the organization and feel that it isnt for you- please make whatever choice is right for you.(and if that means not volunteering and makes you feel better about everything, then so be it- its up to you and we cant stop you from making a decision for what you feel is best for you). I have known and been involved with the Right Coast Home Office staff now for almost 8 years and they are the nicest and most honest people you can find in this hobby. If you are calling the office just to scream. rant and rave- I probably wouldnt listen either- complaining without offering a solution is just idle chatter- no one learns from it. Maybe offering some suggestions as who how to improve what happened to you so it doesnt happen again might be the best option here? Have you tried OFFERING up suggestions ? Maybe a letter ? Email ? Might give you time to organizae your thoughts and take your anger out of the picture and present your issue in a clear and consice manner. Just a suggestion. Good luck and hopefully in time you can look back and realize that this is one of the best events on the East Coast (or anywhere for that matter) and to be a part of it is one of the best parts of this hobby. Dana & Lenny Schaeffer Asst US Directors of Reps Right Coast Association Owners Chop-Shop Customs/Woburn MA    Report

07-26-2008, 1:01 PM chargernewnshiny Joined on 07-15-2008 Posts 12 Re: respect and disrespect during that 08 NATS *warning this is A RANT* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! offer up ideas? ok i got you ill call during the week    Report

08-08-2008, 12:00 PM SIXTY3SP250 Joined on 08-08-2008 Posts 1 Re: respect and disrespect during that 08 NATS *warning this is A RANT* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boy I didn't see any disrespect on Sun. Early in the AM myself and a friend were looking for a spot to get away from the upcoming " 'cuse weather " and pulled onto the Toyota bldg. ramp and asked if there was a remote possibility of parking inside since I has seen so many cars on the Thruway that were NOT taking the Fairgrounds exit and were obviously heading home. At first I was looked at oddly by the women guarding the door and laughingly told no! But, after mentioning I was a RC club member, a gentleman in one of those "Yellow" shirts said he had knowledge that four of his club members were not coming back, it would be OK if I brought my '63 Damler SP-250 in and park in a vacant club place. I asked since there were 4 spaces, would it be OK for my friend to bring his '63 Bel Aire in also (kinda had him where he couldn't say no,) but he readily and cheerfully agreed. My friend was the youngest participating owner two yrs. ago. Many, many, thanks to him, (sorry to have lost your name sir, so many people that day) and his club again for extending the privilege from both Mike and myself. Others who came in later seeking the same favor were less lucky and turned away for some reason. The place had less than 30-40 cars in it the whole day and extending a "welcome" to cars that were not part of the "RESERVED for SPECIAL CLUBS" groups would have gone a long way promoting goodwill to other maverics like myself. We all think as highly about our cars as formal clubs do of their rides and would appreciate similar accomodations were it at all possible. I did see Aarons car, I was parked 20' from it all day and it was taken to the nines as far as customizing and all possible modifications, the work and hours it must have taken, one offs everywhere. And it drew constant attention from those who came into the bldg. But like many others I too thought it out of place w/the spiirit of the show being classics and hotrods 25yrs and older. It would have been better placed at SEMA or an equivilent hi-end show. It is a stunning car to say the least. His display state of the art. Nice ride Aaron! Tres kule! By the way what the hell are those damn ptcruisers doing at the show in reserved club spaces if Aarons car and the like can't be there? Tell me, when did they go into production again ?????? Not in the true spirit of the Nats' in any "fashion". (ha, ha) Do you just have to be some sort of a club? Thats just crap, sure ain't nothing classic or hot rod about them at all , just a bunch of cutsie poo!!! Guess you just might have to "KNOW" somebody, ya think? (Sorry, my rant) Overall, I thought it another great show and with the courtesy extended to me on Sun. that made it even better. I went back into the bldg. immediately after the car drawing, which I again didn't win, when I saw the continuous lighhtening flashes and giant micro burst heading directly at the line of exiting cars. Stayed in the bldg another hour or so till it all had passed talking cars with many others who sought similar refuge. Didn't get wet till I was three lights from home. Save me a space next year my friend, please. Bud , that "other" SP-250    Report

08-13-2008, 10:10 PM chargernewnshiny Joined on 07-15-2008 Posts 12 Re: respect and disrespect during that 08 NATS *warning this is A RANT* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for the compliment it makes me feel better. i have been in talks with a few rc members from Quebec and im deciding to give this thing a try and to read what you typed made me think about doing it more!    Report

08-21-2008, 6:27 PM chargernewnshiny Joined on 07-15-2008 Posts 12 Re: respect and disrespect during that 08 NATS *warning this is A RANT* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha i just relized we have met before you told me the whole story of your awesome ride one of the coolest iv seen in years! sp 250 my dream car    Report

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